How far will we go to fight terrorists?
Have we become terrorists ourselves?
Please tell me, Owen, that this post at Boots & Sabers is sarcasm. Surely you are not serious? There are no rules of conduct any more? No Geneva Conventions? Is it OK with you if we behead these detainees, whoever they are? Have we become terrorists and torturers ourselves?
The rest of this is from Owen:
CIA Secret Prisons
Personally, I find comfort in this story.
The CIA has operated a secret prison system where more than 100 terror suspects have been locked up since Sept. 11.It’s nice to see the CIA hard at work protecting our nation.
The so-called “black sites” — which were so covert that only a handful of government officials even knew about them until today — operated over the past four years in eight different countries,including Thailand, Afghanistan and several Eastern European states, according to a story first reported today in The Washington Post. Former officials say that of the 100 suspected terrorists sent into this secret prison system, 30 are considered major al Qaeda operatives.
Sources say some of the prisoners include Abu Zabaida, who was the head of Osama bin Laden’s operations network, and Ramzi Binalshibh, a key planner in the 9/11 attacks. Both men were captured in Pakistan and taken to a black site in Thailand, then later moved to another location.
Xoff here again. Here's a perspective from a former CIA analyst. Torture in our name?
posted by xoff @ 9:26 AM
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It's been pointed out that this leak, from "CIA sources" is most likely ILLEGAL.
Lemmeeesee, heah, Gomer---
If the "leak" of PartyGirl Plame's name is illegal, and the leak of the prisons is illegal...
Shouldn't Fitzgerald be investigating THIS leak, too?
Never mind. Only certain CIA 'leaks' are REALLY evil, right?
In this case, it's what the CIA is doing that is REALLY evil.
So the end justifies the means, eh Xoff?
OK, investigate away on the leak. But don't you think we should also do something about the abuse?
Who said there's abuse? In any case, the folks being held are not American citizens and, as non-uniformed terrorists who are not under the direction of any state, they are not covered by any of the various conventions. I have no problem looking into it to make sure we are not engaging in cruelty without purpose, but I'm willing to give the CIA a lot of leeway.
The fact is, we don't even know if they are terrorists, like detainees at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.
If everything the CIA is doing with and to these "detainees" is legal, why do they need secret prisons?
Is locking someone up for years at a time cruel? Is it acceptable if there is a reasonable purpose?
Yes to both questions.
Terrorists?
Turns out a lot of these guys are cab drivers and the like who were caught up in drag nets.
If you haven't wrung something out of someone in a few months, then you put yourself on the same level as John McCain's captors in Viet Nam.
Of course Own cannot break himself of the dubious charms of the Bush administration. That, by the way, is sarcasm as well.
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