Thursday, July 28, 2005

Who's needling now, needlessly?

I hesitate to mention this because it's one of those non-issues the right likes to stir up to keep everyone's attention off what really matters -- like the positive impact Jim Doyle's budget vetoes this week will have on countless kids and adults in Wisconsin. But I feel compelled to comment because of all of the dust that has been kicked up already.

The facts, briefly: When Doyle was in Door County for an event recently, a woman whose daughter suffers from diabetes gave a Doyle aide a package of 1,400 used hypodermic needles (a one-year supply) and asked that the package be delivered to Speaker John Gard. There was a note or letter to Gard inside, asking him to stop his opposition to embryonic stem cell research, which many believe could lead to a cure for diabetes.

A Doyle staffer delivered it to Gard's office. Doyle's press office says they called Gard's office first to alert them to the delivery. When Capitol cleaning staff refused to remove the package from Gard's office, Gard's staff called the Capitol Police.

Big deal, right? Well, to hear the Gard office tell it, Doyle "put his staff in danger, our staff in danger, and the cleaning staff in danger."

“This is a woman whose daughter has juvenile diabetes, they wanted to let their representative know what they’re going through every single day, so when the speaker casts his votes on stem cell research he knows what its like for their family,” Doyle spokesman Dan Leistikow said. “And instead of listening to them he called the cops.”

“Sending anthrax to people is not free speech either. There are people who get big money to dispose of medical waste,” Gard's staffer said.

What sort of danger did these needles pose to anyone? Calling them "medical waste" is clever, but my guess is that the way those needles are usually disposed of is that the family throws them in the trash every day. No one is going to "catch" diabetes. People do spread HIV and hepatitis by sharing needles, but unless Gard or his staff was planning to re-use them, that would not seem to be an issue. And the 12-year-old girl in question has diabetes, not HIV or hepatitis. (The anthrax comparison should get the spinster a raise from Gard, but in real life it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.)

Then there is the Capitol police officer, who called the woman who sent the needles and warned her that if she did something like that again she might be arrested. He neglected to say on what grounds. What charge would that be, exactly?

Here's the police report. See what you think. It may not have been the wisest thing Doyle's office has ever done. But people will die of diseases because Gard and Co. continue to block stem cell research. Gard and his staff won't die from looking at a hypodermic needle, or even 1,400 of them.

UPDATE. This gets sillier and sillier as conservatives try to keep it alive. Jessica McBride/Bucher says the woman who gave Doyle the needles is facing a worthless check charge, as if that is somehow relevant? (I guess her credibility is shot. Her daughter probably doesn't have diabetes, and the needles are from her heroin addiction?) If you look at the details on CCAP, you'll see the charge was dismissed on Wednesday.)

And she agrees with the Capitol police officer who says he could have charged the woman for disorderly conduct? I'm not in the law enforcement business, and McBride/Bucher is married to a DA, but I guess I fail to see how a Capitol police officer could charge a woman in Door County with anything when she was never anywhere near the Capitol and did not personally deliver anything to anybody there.

UPDATE: I am not in the habit of responding to comments and don't want to begin answering individual ones now. But some of them clearly suggest people have not read or understood what happened. The woman in Door County didn't send a package to anyone. She hand-delivered it to a Doyle staffer and asked that it be delivered to Gard. It was clear where the package originated and that it was not intended as any kind of threat or terrorism. She may not have used good judgment, nor did the gov's office. But I don't think she needs to be detained at Gitmo until we win the war on terrorism, nor do I think she needs to be confined to a mental institution. She was trying to get Gard's attention, and she certainly did that. I don't think this stunt is likely to change his mind, however. Can we move on now and stop the killing in Iraq, for example?

23 Comments:

At 11:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

seems to me from the police report this wasn't a big deal when it happened, only became one when gard was once again outmanuevered on a state budget

and so now we see the gop spin machine in full distraction/attack mode - going after the mother of a daughter with diabetes and who has the nerve to try to bring attention to the disease afflicting her daughter and the republicans' refusal to support research that could help find a cure for juvenile diabetes


first conservative blogger discovers via google she is *gasp* a democrat! its a partisan plot!

next jessica "leadfoots busted for driving with a suspended license should be careful about using ccap" mcbride is appalled by the prior criminal background of this woman ... which appears to be a bounced check (probably due in no small part to medical bills)

then charlie "busted for shooting of fireworks with a woman who is not my wife and subsequently divorced" sykes piles on to round out the trifecta of self-righteous indignation

to quote a famous democrat, "yeaaaaaaaaaaargh!"

 
At 12:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was a cheap stunt by Doyle; you can try and spin it any way you want. You can try to misdirect by referring to his budget that will haunt this state for years to come! But the facts are simple: Doyle took medical waste from Door County, brought it back to Madison, and then had one of his stooges deliver it to Gard’s office (letting Doyle deny he was somehow involved)

These syringes are medical waste; if this family is disposing of them in the trash they would be breaking the law. They must be disposed of properly, the state helps fund a needle disposal program. No one is worried about catching diabetes from the needles, but there are plenty of diseases that are transferred by bodily fluids.

You can’t catch Anthrax by sending baby powder through the mail, but is does not mean you should fill and envelope up and send it to Doyle. Did Doyle have every needle in that bag tested to make sure there was nothing hazardous on them? If he did not then he took a very big chance with the health of one of our elected officials and his staff.

 
At 12:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juvenile on both ends of the equation. It was stupid for the Doyle staffer to take the bag of medical waste back to Mad City. And of course it was stupid for Gard to pile on.

Also STUPID for Gard to sell his soul to the right-to-life wingnuts -- OK, so you oppose abortion, but now you want to wreck the biggest economic development opportunity ever seen in Wisconsin?

When are ALL of these folks going to grow up and do what they were elected to do?

 
At 1:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, nice job telling it straight, a lot better then Danny boy's three versions of what happened. If the Doyle camp keeps changing their story, (Doyle knew, then he didn't, then he did but didn't order it, etc...) that will become the story.

Doyle should just admit that he made a mistake and apologize. The story would have been dead already if he had done that yesterday.

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the comment "What sort of danger did these needles pose to anyone? Calling them "medical waste" is clever, but my guess is that the way those needles are usually disposed of is that the family throws them in the trash every day". My response is I hope not. What decade are you living in?

 
At 4:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you read the report, the woman turns them over to the local hospital for proper disposal. That is the proper way to dispose of biohazards. That is what those needles are classified as.

The lady is a lunatic. What an idiot. She wanted to get arrested… and fully intends to pull other stunts. I feel bad for the poor daughter having to live with diabetes AND a whacked out mom.

 
At 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I hesitate to mention this because it's one of those non-issues"

Oh yes, I'm sure you'd be saying the exact same thing if John Gard had done this to the Governor's office, right?

The ends always justify the means to Democrats, don't they. I.E. We're good, they're bad, so anything goes.

 
At 4:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even the aide in Gard's office said it was a non-issue. If you read the police report, they didn't care, they just wanted them disposed of.

 
At 5:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a Republican had done that to a Democrat the press would be calling it an act of bioterrorism.

Please - we know better.

 
At 5:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Imagine if the insane woman would have sent the needles to a congressional office. I don't think this would be a non-issue.

 
At 5:21 PM, Blogger Dad29 said...

Doyle and the moronic twit in his office (the OTHER one, not Doyle)...have absolutely ZERO judgment.

The woman in Door County should be placed on a 'watch list' for potential emergency mental hospitalization...

And Gard & Co could simply mention it and let it alone.

 
At 6:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But some of them clearly suggest people have not read or understood what happened. The woman in Door County didn't send a package to anyone. She hand-delivered it to a Doyle staffer and asked that it be delivered to Gard."


This makes it WORSE... if she had sent it herself, then she is clearly at fault. However, this puts the behavior entirely on the Governor and his Chief of Staff. They could not control an individual citizen's actions, but they can certainly choose to control their own and use good judgement.

"Can we move on now" is the oldest Democratic refrain in the book. In fact, that is of course how the liberal activist group "Moveon.org" got started; Democrats wanting to 'move on' past Clinton's behavior.

When Dems screw up, we can't 'move on' fast enough, hmmm?

 
At 8:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the police report, you can see that Gard & Co. don't care about the fact they got needles in any way, they were just looking for a way to get Doyle in trouble.

 
At 9:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel and Wisconsin State Journal both have editorials calling today for Doyle to publicly apologize. Which, of course, he should at the earliest possible opportunity, if he has a sense of propriety and decency left.

 
At 10:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The governor said he saw no need to reprimand his staff or apologize to Gard."

Oh, certainly not. Now if Gard had done this to Doyle on an issue, say, send him a bag of human waste from Lake Michigan in 'passionate protest' of lack of DNR action against Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District, every single Democrat in the state would be screaming for Gard's immediate resignation.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

 
At 10:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know that? You don't, so stop pretending you're a genius.

 
At 10:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:19 AM

I don't know that. It's my opinion and I stand by it. Why don't you address the issue rather than personal attacks? Could it be because you have nothing to say to defend such egregiously bad behavior?

 
At 11:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Christofferson wants us to move on because there are more important issues to worry about.

I guess when a liberal does something stupid and listens to a crazed lady in Door County then we are supposed to pretend that its no big deal.

If it had been a Republican that pulled this stunt we would be hearing lectures about the dangers of medical waste for weeks on end.

 
At 12:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't resort to a personal attack at all, in fact it seems to be you using attack phrases and such. Egregiously bad behavior? Sure it wasn't the right thing to do, but it wasn't egregiously bad either. Gard's office was fine until they figured out they could spin this to partisan advantage.

I'll end this like you seem to have been doing with a personal attack, just a bunch of whiny republicans.

 
At 1:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love how the Capital Times in Madison doesn't do anything editorially with this today, and runs a sorry excuse for a story.

Can you imagine if this had been Gard doing something like this? They would have probably trotted out professors from the UW Medical College to lecture on how hazardous waste should be treated, how many people this placed at risk, Gard should know better, et.al.

The double standard is actually hilarious because it's so obvious. To either party.

 
At 6:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazingly, the pathetic "Wisconsin Stem Cell Now" group is complaining about Gard's complaining. (http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases/July05/July29/0729stemcellgard.pdf) The lady is a nut-job!!! Why can't the idiot leftist activists just point their fingers at the jerks who did this and call it what it was - a cheap political stunt put on by a pathetic and misguided woman who believes that John Gard is killing her child.

She needs to be blamed and ignored (possibly confined and treated). Doyle needs to be chided (and defeated) and then we can move on.

 
At 8:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't heard any comments that suggest she should be detained at Gitmo or confined to a mental institution. That type of rhetoric is normally reserved for use by liberals against Republican politicians that would ever dare engage in this type of behavior.

 
At 9:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes I think you can't take Xoff too literally, like on Gitmo or insane asylums. Does the word sarcasm mean anything to you, anonymous?

 

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