Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Green school 'plan' draws lots of flak

Rep. Mark Green (I always call him that because he's a Congressman, but I notice his TV spot fails to mention it) is probably surprised that a school funding proposal he unveiled Monday is drawing so much flak . But it's not a new idea from Green; it's one that the right wing has peddled elsewhere, and which has come under serious scrutiny and criticism.

Here's One Wisconsin Now's take:

100% Extremely Wrong for Wisconsin Schools

On the same day that Congressman Mark Green announced a school funding gimmick that he said would “boost” education funding without “raising taxes,” Green called the state’s commitment to funding 2/3rds of school costs “irresponsible” and opened the door to massive school cuts AND property tax increases.

Green has dodged the question of whether he would keep the state’s commitment to 2/3rds funding but yesterday both Green and his campaign manager refused to make the commitment.

The congressman has previously said that he would support cuts to our schools in order to fund transportation projects and now he is leaving open the door to larger school cuts AND a massive property tax increase by backing off the state’s 2/3rds funding commitment.

A private school voucher supporter, Green was mum on whether his gimmick would apply to taxpayer funded voucher schools in Milwaukee and how Green would apply accountability to the voucher schools to meet his mandate.
Read the rest.


At 12:36 PM, Blogger SteveS said...

Perhaps Green could start by dismantling the control WEA has over our state's education.

And by removing the artificial monopoly WEA & the DPI have conspired to prefect, let market forces address the diversion of education moneys to vastly above marketplace wages.

Gov. Doyle supported a Aircraft Manufacturer that wanted to bring 300 "High Paid" jobs to part of Wisconsin. The wages were to be circa $30,000 pa

Then how do we justfy paying educators 3 to 4 times this Wigh Paid Wage, while letting them work a curtailed work-year?

The marketplace, once rid of the protectionism of our state's socialism, would fix education.

As voter's we should let Green have a try!

At 1:57 PM, Blogger grumps said...

If you think education is expensive you should see what ignorance costs.

BTW, steves: your English teacher probably told you not to use that apostrophe in "voter's."

At 2:12 PM, Blogger SteveS said...

Hey Grumps, you up for some tutoring? I have never considered my education to be, nor ever will it be, complete.

It is a classic logical fallacy to misdirect an argument by attacking the speaker, rather than addressing the issues they have covered.

Certainly with your grammar wisdom you would have more to say on the issues, or is it that they are so obvious as to beg any argument?

At 3:40 PM, Blogger TrueConservative said...

steves has a point on market competition. What he misses is that if you reduce compensation then you will reduce supply and also quality. The more high quality teachers we have, the better our public education system. I have yet to meet a Republican who is truly free market in their views on just about anything. The reason you can't tell the difference whether a Democrat or Republican lands in office is because when you dig past the label, they are all just politicians making connections. Green and Doyle are virtually equivalent masters of the game. Tommy T. and Scooter were actually better at it than Doyle or Green. Green is just too weak intellectually to offer a real conservative solution to just about anything. His latest education proposal is another example of his intellectual ineptness. 65% is the advocated number and Wisconsin beats that number so he chooses a higher one so he can come up some sort of hypothetical but unrealistic savings.

At 3:51 PM, Blogger SteveS said...

Trueconservative has a point. The point that reduced compensation in a FREE MARKET tends to reduce supply and quality is spot on.

However such trueisms are not applicable in a manipulated marketplace - in the case of education in Wisconsin a near monopoly where the political clout of employees are dictating their employer's hand.

We are experiencing the same phenomena in other 'closed-by-licensure' fields. Medical, Dental, Education... it follows that the protectionism of these fields is only part about establishing Minimum quality standards, but are more about protecting their trade from marketplace competition.

At 6:44 PM, Blogger Other Side said...

Steves ... again, if your argument made sense there might be reason to debate. Fact is, I know of no educators making $100,000 - $120,000 per year as you suggest. I have many close friends who are educators, and fine ones at that ... I'm sure they would like to make twice what they are currently being compensated (with an MA and at least 20 years of service required).

The problem is you and the other neocons simply do not like public education ... any other argument you extend is pure BS.

At 7:10 PM, Blogger badgervan said...

SteveS: Judging by the number of spelling and punctuation errors in your posts, you must have gone to one or two of those repub "market forces" schools. I'll continue to back a strong and well funded Wisconsin school system, thanks to dem legislators and teachers who care.
Why do repubs hate teachers and well educated kids?

At 8:36 PM, Blogger SteveS said...

Badgervan and Other SIde leave me confused.

I suffer from self-hate and oppose the educated?

Get a life laddies, nitpicking spelling on an online blog is hardly a debate.

Guess my teacher friends out earn yours by a long shot.

The democrats gave us education? Another fairtale to go with Gore investing the Internet? Have you no shame or respect for the truth?

At 11:14 PM, Blogger badgervan said...

SteveS: try spellcheck or a dictionary. Very easy to use either one. I believe most of us learned how to use a dictionary in the first grade ( must have had dems in charge back then ). Otherwise, your posts too closely resemble something from the feeble mind of your idol, the Great Decider.


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